IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-07-29

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  1. [00:21:23] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=18851 * Tantek * (+20)
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  6. [01:01:45] <tantek> greetings
  7. [01:01:54] <tantek> I'm going to do some heavy editing of http://microformats.org/wiki/user-interface
  8. [01:02:04] <tantek> moving Social Network Portability to its own page
  9. [01:10:46] <mfbot> [[social-network-portability]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/social-network-portability * Tantek * (+3312) drafted
  10. [01:11:17] <mfbot> [[user-interface]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=18852 * Tantek * (-3118) moved Social Network Portability to its own page
  11. [01:22:23] <mfbot> [[social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=18853 * Tantek * (+615) state buzzword-free goals
  12. [01:27:54] <mfbot> [[social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=18854 * Tantek * (+53) link up with hcard-supporting-profiles
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  16. [01:58:51] <mfbot> [[social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=18855 * Tantek * (+792) added design patterns and recipes section with specific implementations suggestions
  17. [02:10:08] <mfbot> [[social-network-portability]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=18856 * Tantek * (+1)
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  19. [02:16:59] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-profiles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-profiles&diff=0&oldid=18857 * Tantek * (+226) added Pownce
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  23. [03:02:53] <mfbot> [[appcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=appcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18859 * Chris Messina * (+63)
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  50. [08:44:43] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
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  55. [09:36:28] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs
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  58. [09:37:54] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  62. [10:01:26] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  66. [10:27:23] <mfbot> [[social-network-portability]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=18860 * AndyMabbett * (+2) same voice in both sections
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  71. [10:34:40] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=18861 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Tools, Test Cases and Additional Research - grammar
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  77. [12:57:16] <jibot> WilleRaab is a developer of and lecturer on democracy methods and tools http://microformats.org/wiki/User:WilleRaab
  78. [12:59:56] <mfbot> [[adr-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18862 * AndyMabbett * (+57) At least one child-property must be present
  79. [13:01:03] <mfbot> [[adr-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18863 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Notes - =
  80. [13:02:04] <mfbot> [[geo-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18864 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Notes - =
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  82. [13:26:35] <mfbot> [[accessibility-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility-issues&diff=0&oldid=18865 * AndyMabbett * (+27) assistive-technology
  83. [13:27:21] <mfbot> [[accessibility-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility-issues&diff=0&oldid=18866 * AndyMabbett * (-8) Accessibility of this wiki - fmt
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  86. [13:36:05] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  88. [14:13:11] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  90. [14:26:56] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  93. [14:56:49] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  99. [15:20:31] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  101. [15:37:49] <jibot> V-I-P is a technical writer student and runs http://www.dailymentor.org and blogs at http://www.dieweisheit.de
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  104. [15:57:56] <jibot> drewinthehead is Drew McLellan, a web developer for Yahoo! and curator of tools.microformatic.com
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  109. [16:26:45] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  112. [17:06:27] <mfbot> [[haudio-cheatsheet]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio-cheatsheet * WebOrganics * (+1154)
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  115. [17:09:27] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  116. [17:16:24] <mfbot> [[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18867 * WebOrganics * (+4)
  117. [17:18:55] <mfbot> [[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18868 * WebOrganics * (-16)
  118. [17:20:31] <mfbot> [[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18869 * WebOrganics * (-8)
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  120. [17:22:23] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  121. [17:22:49] <tantek> greetings
  122. [17:22:58] <tantek> working on hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists
  123. [17:24:17] <mfbot> [[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18870 * WebOrganics * (+24)
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  126. [17:29:03] <mfbot> [[user-interface]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=18871 * Tantek * (-5)
  127. [17:52:14] <SignpostMarv> hrm
  128. [17:52:38] <SignpostMarv> I'm looking at haudio, i'm wondering if the spec will "support" concatenated Oggs
  129. [17:55:12] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming * Tantek * (+2381) drafted from to-do item
  130. [17:55:38] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18872 * Tantek * (+22)
  131. [17:55:59] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet&diff=0&oldid=18873 * Tantek * (+115)
  132. [17:58:35] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=18874 * Tantek * (-952) help publishers with social network portability, clean-up previously completed pocket-cheat-sheet tasks
  133. [18:01:51] <mfbot> [[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=18875 * Tantek * (+9) overall priority ordering -
  134. [18:02:18] <mfbot> [[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=18876 * Tantek * (+13) overall priority ordering -
  135. [18:10:54] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18877 * AndyMabbett * (+188) Semacode
  136. [18:12:00] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18878 * AndyMabbett * (-102) moving last to feedback
  137. [18:13:16] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-feedback&diff=0&oldid=18879 * AndyMabbett * (+148) Semacode
  138. [18:14:52] <mfbot> [[user-interface]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=18880 * AndyMabbett * (-5) that's not what i said
  139. [18:25:33] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=18881 * Tantek * (+745) capture some notes on hCard+XFN supporting friends list parsing
  140. [18:29:39] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-profiles]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-profiles&diff=0&oldid=18882 * Tantek * (+267) improved FYI, xref hCard+XFN friends lists
  141. [18:32:21] <mfbot> [[hcard-advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=18883 * Tantek * (+214) noted pownce enhancements
  142. [18:39:57] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists * Tantek * (+2850) drafted
  143. [18:40:33] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=18884 * Tantek * (-18)
  144. [18:40:54] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-profiles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-profiles&diff=0&oldid=18885 * Tantek * (+58) twitter instructions
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  146. [19:11:21] <taaz> SignpostMarv: in what way?
  147. [19:11:48] <SignpostMarv> I archives my CDs as concatenated Ogg FLACs
  148. [19:13:21] <SignpostMarv> so there's one Ogg FLAC file which although isn't an audio stream in of itself, has a "total duration" of it's child files
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  150. [19:14:10] <SignpostMarv> in this situation, a nested hAudio document would be useful
  151. [19:14:47] <taaz> yeah. that hasn't been done yet.
  152. [19:15:23] <SignpostMarv> the same hierarchy would be used for non-concatenated albums
  153. [19:17:05] <SignpostMarv> a concatenated album would have a rel-enclosure & price on the root file, with a rel-sample for each track
  154. [19:18:48] <SignpostMarv> a non-concatenated album would have rel-enclosure, price for all children, and rel-sample on every child that doesn't have children
  155. [19:18:56] <taaz> join the micorformats-new list and disucss this. it's certainly needed but just getting haudio done was enough work on its own.
  156. [19:19:12] * SignpostMarv thinks mailing lists suck :-P
  157. [19:19:32] <taaz> me guess is that collection stuff like this will be easier to accomplish with the RDFa hAudio spec
  158. [19:20:00] <SignpostMarv> we have IRC for live discussion and the wiki for interuppted discussion
  159. [19:20:07] <taaz> but then again, i'm biased since i work with guy who wrote that. :)
  160. [19:20:19] <SignpostMarv> isn't RDF generally overkill ?
  161. [19:20:52] <taaz> arn't microformats genearlly insufficiant?
  162. [19:20:59] * SignpostMarv knocks up a quick example for Queen's "The Platinum Collection"
  163. [19:21:03] <SignpostMarv> microformats are modular :-P
  164. [19:21:23] <taaz> they also are scopeless and have no namespace
  165. [19:21:39] <SignpostMarv> why would they need a namespace
  166. [19:22:05] <taaz> so you have to be very careful how you construct your example so as not to have the outer collection pick up inner properties
  167. [19:22:12] <taaz> see the mfo discssuion about that
  168. [19:22:22] <SignpostMarv> linky ?
  169. [19:22:48] <taaz> i dunno... mailing list or wiki probably has the info
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  171. [19:25:35] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  172. [19:27:07] <taaz> namespaces are useful since the uf community is trying to claim global claim over how these specs are used. i don't think there's any way to version or update them or provide alternatives since names would clash.
  173. [19:27:33] <taaz> there's a reason nearly every programming languages uses them... i don't understand the problem.
  174. [19:28:25] <taaz> haudio even snuck in namespaces. "audio-title" has a "audio" namespace. not sure why that was acceptable but other methods are not.
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  177. [19:31:26] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
  178. [19:33:48] * danja (n=danja@host108-220-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #microformats
  179. [19:35:12] <taaz> SignpostMarv: if you do get a haudio collection example written, try it out with my Operator haudio userscript. http://www.kaply.com/weblog/2007/07/20/operator-and-haudio/
  180. [19:37:29] <SignpostMarv> taaz: http://dev.signpostmarv.name/pub/microformats/hAudio-Queen-The-Platinum-Collection.html
  181. [19:37:42] <SignpostMarv> not complete yet :-P
  182. [19:41:30] <SignpostMarv> do i need to reboot firefox ? I'm not seeing anything in the Operator options for hAudio
  183. [19:44:11] <SignpostMarv> >_<
  184. [19:44:21] * SignpostMarv just discovered Queen.com has nothing to do with Queen
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  187. [19:53:21] * SignpostMarv starts throwing in hReview for good measure
  188. [20:22:12] <SignpostMarv> taaz: I've noticed that "duration" isn't specified as a sub element of rel-sample
  189. [21:26:17] * SignpostMarv (i=Signpost@82-71-31-169.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) Quit ("/me has to head out")
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  194. [21:58:19] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  195. [22:46:29] <mfbot> [[cheatsheets]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheets&diff=0&oldid=18886 * Tantek * (+1)
  196. [22:47:00] <mfbot> [[cheat-sheets]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/cheat-sheets * Tantek * (+25)
  197. [22:58:42] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet&diff=0&oldid=18887 * Tantek * (+746) added more photos, restructured
  198. [23:04:48] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18888 * Tantek * (+1441) rewrote in log format with key thoughts, drafts, events, added photo
  199. [23:05:09] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+3930) pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming moved to pocket-cheat-sheet-iterations
  200. [23:05:55] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet&diff=0&oldid=18889 * Tantek * (-3)
  201. [23:07:51] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-feedback&diff=0&oldid=18890 * Tantek * (+12)
  202. [23:09:02] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet&diff=0&oldid=18891 * Tantek * (+17)
  203. [23:10:28] <mfbot> [[pocket-cheat-sheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet&diff=0&oldid=18892 * Tantek * (+15) clean up intro, reduce intro link noise
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