IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-04-11

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  3. [00:14:23] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=15422 * RyanKing * (+5495) Reverted edit of Ne0V35, changed back to last version by Tantek
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  14. [01:18:32] <mfbot> [[htodo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=htodo&diff=0&oldid=15428 * RyanKing * (+673) Reverted edit of NroJh0, changed back to last version by Smackman
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  19. [01:33:09] <mfbot> [[adr-poll]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-poll&diff=0&oldid=15430 * ScottReynen * (+36) Object -
  20. [01:37:55] <mfbot> [[adr-poll]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-poll&diff=0&oldid=15431 * ScottReynen * (+369) General comments -
  21. [01:39:11] <mfbot> [[adr-poll]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-poll&diff=0&oldid=15432 * ScottReynen * (+29) General comments -
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  25. [02:26:29] <mfbot> [[User:TimG]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:TimG&diff=0&oldid=15435 * SdvR62 * (-4)
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  41. [02:51:40] <mfbot> [[hreview-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=15436 * Tantek * (+5984) Reverted edit of CsuWt2, changed back to last version by ChristopheDucamp
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  43. [02:51:47] <mfbot> [[User:TimG]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:TimG&diff=0&oldid=15438 * Tantek * (+4) Reverted edit of SdvR62, changed back to last version by TimG
  44. [02:52:02] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15439 * ManuSporny * (+232) Exploratory Discussions -
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  51. [03:31:25] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  54. [03:38:30] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples * ManuSporny * (+2243) Initial creation of page, introductory section, and problem description
  55. [03:45:07] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15440 * ManuSporny * (+24640) Added speech and music sections, merged many of the findings from music media-info over
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  57. [03:52:18] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15441 * ManuSporny * (+513) Added audio podcasting section for Alexandre Van de Sande
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  59. [03:55:41] <jibot> redmonk is Steve Ivy, http://redmonk.net and is linklogging at http://deliciouslymeta.com
  60. [03:56:49] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15442 * ManuSporny * (+13) Participants -
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  62. [04:05:35] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  64. [04:09:15] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15443 * ManuSporny * (+837) Existing Practices -
  65. [04:09:36] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15444 * ManuSporny * (+6) Summary of common patterns discovered -
  66. [04:11:58] <mfbot> [[audio-info-formats]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-formats * ManuSporny * (+800) Adding audio metadata formats section
  67. [04:12:29] <mfbot> [[media-info-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-formats&diff=0&oldid=15445 * ManuSporny * (-699) Audio Metadata Formats -
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  69. [04:30:55] <mfbot> [[audio-info-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-formats&diff=0&oldid=15446 * ManuSporny * (+1809) Merged a ton of information over from media-info-formats, tried to attribute everybody that should be attributed.
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  71. [04:39:48] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15448 * ManuSporny * (+123) Participants -
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  78. [05:02:40] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15450 * ManuSporny * (+1311) Added template section for adding new entries
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  80. [05:04:57] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15451 * ManuSporny * (+4) A NOTE ABOUT CONTRIBUTING - USE TEMPLATES -
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  84. [05:28:39] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15452 * ManuSporny * (+351) Audio Info -
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  88. [05:51:15] <mfbot> [[igtd-syntax]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/igtd-syntax * Chris Messina * (+2191)
  89. [05:51:51] <mfbot> [[audio-info-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-brainstorming * ManuSporny * (+1153) Created first version of the brainstorming page
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  93. [06:45:09] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  95. [06:53:58] <jibot> tylerr is Tyler Roehmholdt and involves himself in the HTML WG and WaSP-related advocacy.
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  100. [07:57:50] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  101. [08:12:36] <mfbot> [[User:TimG]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:TimG&diff=0&oldid=15454 * CgrJm1 * (-4)
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  108. [09:37:27] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  112. [09:56:51] <mfbot> [[adr-poll]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-poll&diff=0&oldid=15455 * Brian * (+984) General comments -
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  115. [10:33:29] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  125. [12:02:47] <mfbot> [[xoxo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo&diff=0&oldid=15456 * GuyLeech * (+131) More Simple Examples -
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  127. [12:11:21] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  138. [12:57:27] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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  152. [14:08:52] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  177. [14:37:46] <mkaply> Can't you turn on restrictions so that people can't get new IDs unless they are verified by email?
  178. [14:38:12] <briansuda> kingryyan knows more about the wiki setup
  179. [14:38:20] <briansuda> he would be the one to ask
  180. [14:38:21] <mkaply> Mozilla is having the same thing happen to them
  181. [14:38:42] <mkaply> script kiddies are jerks
  182. [14:39:02] <briansuda> it only takes a few to ruin it for everyone
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  184. [14:47:33] <briansuda> looks like the university of wisconsin is starting to use some hCards http://www.wisconsin.edu/contact/new.php?searchbox=Sheri%20Ackley&details=full
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  194. [15:02:53] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  196. [15:19:43] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
  197. [15:23:32] * mkaply wishes he'd brought his microformats book to work
  198. [15:24:46] <briansuda> :)
  199. [15:24:54] <mkaply> ok, i'm confused about hresume
  200. [15:25:00] <mkaply> experience is a vevent
  201. [15:25:03] <briansuda> yes
  202. [15:25:12] <briansuda> class="experience vevent"
  203. [15:25:15] <mkaply> but job title is a vcard that is a child of the experience?
  204. [15:25:27] <mkaply> http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume#Experience
  205. [15:25:29] <mkaply> isn't clear about this
  206. [15:26:02] <briansuda> what exactly is the question?
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  208. [15:26:11] <briansuda> you will need a vcard for each position
  209. [15:26:20] <tantek> an hCard even ;)
  210. [15:26:52] <tantek> the first hCard descendant inside the experience hCalendar event
  211. [15:27:47] <mkaply> then there should be specific class for it. like class="position vcard"
  212. [15:27:58] <briansuda> why?
  213. [15:28:16] <briansuda> you want to know what was the company and what was the job?
  214. [15:28:18] <mkaply> how do I know I'm not grabbing the vcard for the location of the company?
  215. [15:28:36] <briansuda> a company wouldn't have a job title
  216. [15:28:47] <briansuda> fn !== org
  217. [15:29:26] <tantek> mkaply, simply grab the *first* hCard inside the experience
  218. [15:29:44] <mkaply> tantek: I can't. That might be the hcard of the company, not the hcard of the person and their position
  219. [15:30:03] <tantek> there is no separate hCard of the company
  220. [15:30:09] <mkaply> tantek: there can be in the vevent location
  221. [15:30:21] <tantek> the hCard of the person/position includes the org name etc. of the company
  222. [15:30:48] <mkaply> So are you saying that in an hresume, it is mandatory that the location in the experience vevent be a vcard?
  223. [15:31:21] <briansuda> it makes the most sense that if i work for XYZ company, i would just have ONE hCard for my position in ORG=XYZ
  224. [15:31:40] <tantek> i'm not saying that at all - actually the contrary, that it is unlikely that locations of experience events will have hCards themselves
  225. [15:31:43] <tantek> what brian said too
  226. [15:31:48] <briansuda> not an hCard for my position and a seperate one for the company
  227. [15:31:54] <tantek> right
  228. [15:32:12] <tantek> plus, location is often disjoint from an experience event
  229. [15:32:40] <tantek> i.e. you might have several different offices over the course of a single job
  230. [15:32:43] <mkaply> interesting
  231. [15:32:44] <mkaply> <DIV class="experience vevent vcard">
  232. [15:32:52] <tantek> and moving offices often has *nothing* to do with your job
  233. [15:33:00] <tantek> and is not something people normally publish in their resume
  234. [15:33:02] <mkaply> is that invalid?
  235. [15:33:20] <tantek> thus the precise "location" of a job experience is not really that important
  236. [15:33:29] <tantek> or certainly, it is not typically published
  237. [15:33:58] <tantek> whereas people do publish their business-card-like info within a job experience entry
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  239. [15:34:17] <tantek> mkaply, speaking of hResume
  240. [15:34:50] <tantek> did you see Erin's email re: Operator/hResume?
  241. [15:34:57] <mkaply> yes. That's actually what we're talking about here
  242. [15:35:00] <mkaply> He actually uses
  243. [15:35:01] <tantek> what is Operator doing with the hResume here: http://erincaton.ca/resume.html
  244. [15:35:07] <mkaply> <DIV class="experience vevent vcard">
  245. [15:35:13] <tantek> she btw
  246. [15:35:17] <mkaply> sorry :)
  247. [15:35:22] <mkaply> which violates everything we just talked about :)
  248. [15:35:22] <tantek> np
  249. [15:35:57] <tantek> as has been pointed out in hcard-faq and hcard-issues, we need to figure out a way of representing gender in hCard for folks that wish to self-publish that info
  250. [15:36:15] <mkaply> I could have at least seen the picture on the page :)
  251. [15:37:59] <mkaply> so is that valid?
  252. [15:38:19] <briansuda> i'd say yes (the class stuff)
  253. [15:38:37] <mkaply> can you have two microformats on the same DOM node?
  254. [15:38:55] <mkaply> so then tantek's comment about first descendant doesn't hold true in this case
  255. [15:39:20] <briansuda> you could also make that an hAtom entry too
  256. [15:39:30] <tantek> mkaply, yes, two microformats can use the same DOM node (though obviously it takes some very careful markup)
  257. [15:39:41] <tantek> but let's check the spec
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  259. [15:39:47] <tantek> re: descendant
  260. [15:39:49] * briansuda looks at the example link
  261. [15:40:12] <mkaply> and people wonder why I have trouble parsing this stuff.
  262. [15:40:37] <tantek> mkaply: "experience. optional. One or more hcalendar events with the class name 'experience', with an embedded hCard indicating the job title, name of company, address of company etc."
  263. [15:40:43] <tantek> note *embedded* hCard
  264. [15:40:44] <briansuda> what is the use with Erin's site?
  265. [15:41:02] <tantek> that could be more precise, but embedding typically implies *inside*, not *overlayed*
  266. [15:41:40] <tantek> that's from http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume
  267. [15:43:45] <mkaply> so there was a fix needed to my hresume. To call out the vcard that is a child of experience. But it won't fix her resume obviously
  268. [15:44:16] <briansuda> what is wrong with her resume?
  269. [15:46:32] <mkaply> <DIV class="experience vevent vcard">
  270. [15:47:07] <briansuda> well, there is another issue with her class="include" as well
  271. [15:48:45] <briansuda> what is the issue with having that class="experience vevent vcard"? are you trying to associate a vcard to a vevent?
  272. [15:49:19] <briansuda> a vevent does knows nothing about positions, etc.
  273. [15:51:08] <mkaply> briansuda: we just established that the spec says that the vcard is embedded.
  274. [15:51:24] <mkaply> And if the vcard could be either the same as the experience or a child of the experience would be a little painful to parse
  275. [15:51:29] <mkaply> ok, a lot painful to parse
  276. [15:51:38] <briansuda> but what are you attempting to do?
  277. [15:52:08] <briansuda> you only ever extract VCARDS or VEVENTS and the data they share is not relevant of vcard is nested or not
  278. [15:52:16] <briansuda> unless you are doing something different?
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  280. [15:52:41] <mfbot> [[Template:cheatsheet-key]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:cheatsheet-key&diff=0&oldid=15471 * Brian * (+0) Reverted edit of UsxNq5, changed back to last version by ChristopheDucamp
  281. [15:52:56] <mkaply> Well, I need a place to look for the vcard first so that I can extract the data. And I would look for it as a child of experience.
  282. [15:53:09] <mkaply> I don't grab the data in the vcard, I grab the vcard.
  283. [15:53:17] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Brian * (+0) blocked "User:UsxNq5" with an expiry time of infinite: bot spam/vandal
  284. [15:53:49] <briansuda> but what are you trying to do by connecting the vcard to a vevent?
  285. [15:54:05] <briansuda> if you want to find the vcard first, then just look for class="vcard"
  286. [15:54:23] <briansuda> a vcard is a vcard event if it isn't a child of experience
  287. [15:54:47] <mkaply> We're talking about two different things. there is accessing the vcards separately, which I already do.
  288. [15:54:53] <briansuda> right
  289. [15:55:08] <mkaply> Then there is the second case. Should you be able to go hResume->experience->vcard.title
  290. [15:55:14] <mkaply> sorry. Mixed metaphors there
  291. [15:55:20] <mkaply> hResume.experience.vcard.title
  292. [15:55:27] <briansuda> ok, now i think i understand abit more
  293. [15:55:43] <mkaply> the hresume will be a big JS structure. in the end.
  294. [15:55:52] <briansuda> but what about how we do fancy GEO stuff
  295. [15:55:58] <briansuda> you find an experience
  296. [15:56:02] <mkaply> if experience = vcard, then it is hResume.experience.title
  297. [15:56:08] <briansuda> look for a child of class="title"
  298. [15:56:22] <briansuda> then look UP the stack to see if that is a child of class="vcard"
  299. [15:56:40] <briansuda> parts of the vCard ARE embedded in the experience
  300. [15:56:53] <mkaply> but they should be embedded as children of a vcard, correct?
  301. [15:56:55] <briansuda> not nessicarily the WHOLE vcard, but part of it
  302. [15:57:13] <mkaply> That seems to be why Erin chose to make vcard and vevent the same thing. Because it seemed to her that they share data
  303. [15:57:17] <briansuda> yes, class="title" MUST be a child of class="vcard"
  304. [15:57:24] <briansuda> to me as well
  305. [15:57:49] <briansuda> i would even say that you could have vcard ABOVE class="vevent experience" and still be valid
  306. [15:58:05] <briansuda> we do something similar with GEO (stand alone)
  307. [15:58:36] <briansuda> it looks-up to see if it is a child of vcard/vevent and then goes down the DOM to find FN/SUMMARY
  308. [15:59:03] <briansuda> so you could do class="experience vevent" => class="title" (then look for parent of class="vcard")
  309. [15:59:16] <briansuda> if true, then use that value
  310. [15:59:56] <briansuda> this could be a VERY sneaky way to avoid using the include pattern
  311. [16:00:05] <briansuda> ONE single vCard that is the whole page
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  313. [16:00:20] <briansuda> then multiple vcard positions for each experience
  314. [16:00:33] <briansuda> then as a vCard extractor you'd only get one vcard
  315. [16:00:48] <briansuda> but as an hResume parser, you could get one vcard, but multiple positions
  316. [16:00:54] <briansuda> does that make sense?
  317. [16:01:04] <mkaply> briansuda: Then you can write that hResume parser :)
  318. [16:01:16] <briansuda> (and people are so happy to push things past draft!)
  319. [16:01:18] <mkaply> You know one of the complaints about microformats is there is no consistent way to parse them.
  320. [16:01:24] <mkaply> Stuff like this doesn't really help the cause :)
  321. [16:01:32] <briansuda> i did start to write an hResume parser for HTML=>PDF
  322. [16:01:53] <briansuda> no you are right, microformats should be easy to write, but all the hardwork is on the parsers
  323. [16:02:09] <mkaply> but you can't make them so easy to write that the parsers are impossible.
  324. [16:02:16] <mkaply> I can write an RDFa parser in 50 liens
  325. [16:03:06] <briansuda> but how many people can write RDFa into their HTML
  326. [16:03:07] <briansuda> :)
  327. [16:03:59] * briansuda gets strange results with that last WIKI update?
  328. [16:04:10] <briansuda> http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=15472 doesn't seem to work
  329. [16:06:34] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-brainstorming-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=15473 * Brian * (+41736)
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  332. [16:09:13] <mkaply> intersting
  333. [16:09:13] <mkaply> <ABBR title="" class="dtend"/>
  334. [16:09:20] <mkaply> I don't like that
  335. [16:10:15] <briansuda> that gets stripped out by TIDY as well
  336. [16:12:22] <mkaply> So to be clear, all I'm changing at this point is that operator will look for a vcard that is a child of experience (this is based on the hresume spec)
  337. [16:12:43] <mkaply> And someone should tell Erin that her vcard needs to be a child of her experience (at least for now)
  338. [16:13:00] <mkaply> briansuda: do you genuinely believe in the future that all this stuff will continue to be written by hand?
  339. [16:13:21] <briansuda> no
  340. [16:13:44] <briansuda> i was talking to some smart folks over the weekend and we were chatting about interfaces to mark-up data as microformats
  341. [16:14:10] <briansuda> you highlight text, right click, tell the editor what it is "FN, ORG, ...." and it does all the code behind the senses
  342. [16:14:15] <mkaply> If the only complaint about RDFa is "it looks like crap and noone will ever code that in their HTML", that's not a very good argument :)
  343. [16:14:50] <briansuda> well, it has some depenances of @role which fix it to versions or invalid HTML
  344. [16:14:58] <briansuda> Go GRDDL!
  345. [16:16:33] <mkaply> and microformats use an attribute that was intended for presentation to express semantic info. Six of one, half dozen of the other :)
  346. [16:16:53] <briansuda> well, not really class is a general purpose attribute according to the W3C HTML spec
  347. [16:17:01] <briansuda> it is not an abuse to use class
  348. [16:17:04] <mkaply> briansuda: so I've been taking a poll. I need a word that describes microformats, rdfA, eRDF in one mouthful
  349. [16:17:22] <briansuda> semantics
  350. [16:17:39] <mkaply> so far, we've got "metadata" and "embedded data" and "embedded structure"
  351. [16:18:13] <mkaply> Yeah, I like semantic. I can come up with a real cool operator tagline. The symantec web...NOW!
  352. [16:18:30] <mkaply> sorry, semantic. Symantec web would be a web owned by an antivirus vendor
  353. [16:18:46] <briansuda> :)
  354. [16:19:04] <briansuda> Operator, extracting MEANING from the web
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  357. [16:29:55] <csarven> mkaply you are the author of Operator correct?
  358. [16:29:58] <csarven> iirc
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  360. [16:31:07] <csarven> is there a known bug for 'tag' values that contain '/' in Operator?
  361. [16:31:14] <mkaply> csarven: yes
  362. [16:32:08] <mfbot> [[faq-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-ja&diff=0&oldid=15475 * BxrT23 * (-7306)
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  365. [16:38:53] <mkaply> csarven: that was for the operator question
  366. [16:38:57] <mkaply> tag values - give me an example
  367. [16:39:03] <mkaply> tag values can't really contain a slash, can tghey?
  368. [16:41:14] <csarven> i haven't looked it up to be honesty - just a quick observation i noted.. on a page with several tags (where one tag contained a slash) Operator only displayed one tag
  369. [16:43:19] <mkaply> I would need an example page
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  371. [16:48:35] <csarven> mkaply http://www.csarven.ca/soliloquy-of-the-solipsist-by-sylvia-plath .. i think in 0.7a it picksup the tag after the slash. the one with a single tag that occured may have been in 0.6 (on a different site)
  372. [16:49:15] <csarven> my bad.. this hapens in 0.6
  373. [16:49:36] <csarven> meh.. would have to verify this later why this other page displayed only a single tag
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  384. [17:09:05] <kingryan> ok, I think I may have finally gotten these guys blocked at the apache level
  385. [17:09:33] <mfbot> [[code-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=code-examples&diff=0&oldid=15478 * RyanKing * (+3770) Reverted edit of Lv9Pxv, changed back to last version by AndyMabbett
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  393. [17:24:29] <kingryan> damnit
  394. [17:24:40] <kingryan> anyone familiar with apache's mod_access?
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  398. [18:03:14] <mkaply> wow. All of a sudden I helped invent microformats! :)
  399. [18:03:14] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=15482 * Tantek * (+6529) Reverted edit of Nu9N0r, changed back to last version by ChristopheDucamp
  400. [18:03:15] <mkaply> http://www.45royale.com/notebook/2007/04/10-things-i-learned-at-sxswi-2007/
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  403. [18:03:30] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Nu9N0r" with an expiry time of infinite: bot spam/vandal
  404. [18:14:46] <kingryan> mkaply: congrats!
  405. [18:15:17] * mkaply goes to update the Wikipedia entry
  406. [18:15:56] <mkaply> kingryan: ok, you're as good a person to ask as any. I'm trying to determine if a feature in Operator is a "geek" feature
  407. [18:16:13] <mkaply> not implying anything about you, just that you are of a microformats persuasion
  408. [18:17:02] <mkaply> Showing the number of microformats on the page in parenthesis after the item. vs. simply enabling/disabling
  409. [18:17:51] <kingryan> what do you mean by "simply enabling/disabling"?
  410. [18:18:18] <mkaply> kingryan: well, right now if there are no microformats, the button is disabled and it does not have (0) after it for isntance.
  411. [18:18:26] <mkaply> When I find microformats, I enable it and put (?)
  412. [18:18:43] <kingryan> ah
  413. [18:18:51] <kingryan> the current behavior is useful to me
  414. [18:18:56] <mkaply> I've changed it so the icons now properly enable/disable
  415. [18:19:07] <mkaply> The problem with it is that the toolbar shifts big time which is kind of jarring
  416. [18:19:16] <mkaply> I'm wondering if a regular user cares about the numbers
  417. [18:19:20] <mkaply> or should I make that a debug option
  418. [18:19:32] <mkaply> or maybe only display the numbers when you are in microformats mode, not "action mode"
  419. [18:19:42] <mkaply> (We've determined action mode is for non microformat folk)
  420. [18:23:21] <kingryan> why not just add some empty space between icons so that they don't shift?
  421. [18:23:32] <kingryan> I think the numbers are useful
  422. [18:23:37] <kingryan> but that's just me
  423. [18:23:49] <kingryan> btw, I use mfs mode, not action mode
  424. [18:25:51] <mkaply> yeah. So do I.
  425. [18:26:07] <mkaply> All the microformats folk use microformats mode. They care about the data, not what to do with the data
  426. [18:27:00] <kingryan> yeah, I already have ways to deal with the data via bookmarklets
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  437. [19:25:50] <ianloic> I'm kind of scared of joining uf-new - is my fear unjustified?
  438. [19:28:39] <ianloic> grr - I totally have to
  439. [19:28:47] <ianloic> this whole month's discussion is about stuff I care about
  440. [19:28:48] <ianloic> fuck
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  474. [21:47:55] <jibot> ddfreyne is nothing
  475. [21:48:46] <ddfreyne> Have there been proposal for an interview microformat? i.e. a question/answer style dialogue microformat?
  476. [21:49:37] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15490 * AlexandreVandeSande * (+620) Individual Publishing of Speech -
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  478. [21:57:04] <KevinMarks> ddfreyne: there are examples for marking up conversations
  479. [21:57:26] <KevinMarks> http://microformats.org/wiki/chat-examples#Reported_Speech
  480. [21:57:28] <KevinMarks> for eg
  481. [21:57:49] <KevinMarks> not quite a microformat as it's all existing elements
  482. [21:57:51] <ddfreyne> I noticed a chatlog microformat, but interviews are quite different
  483. [21:58:03] <KevinMarks> how so?
  484. [21:58:27] <KevinMarks> http://yptsupport.blogspot.com/2006/05/ken-yeager-asks-albert-balagso-about.html
  485. [21:58:30] <ddfreyne> chatlogs are more like arbitrary messages, without clear distinction between question and answer…
  486. [21:58:36] <ddfreyne> interviews are more question-answer pairs
  487. [21:58:59] <ddfreyne> I'm thinking…  <ol> for chat logs, <dl> for interviews
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  489. [21:59:06] <KevinMarks> nah
  490. [21:59:23] <KevinMarks> abusing dl like that is not good
  491. [21:59:41] <KevinMarks> you could use the <li><cite><q> pattern
  492. [21:59:53] <KevinMarks> and have a class on the q for question and answer
  493. [22:00:12] <ddfreyne> I was using something like <dt>Interviewer: <q cite="Interviewer">Question?</q></dt>
  494. [22:00:17] <KevinMarks> which would let you style them differently
  495. [22:00:22] <kingryan> ddfreyne: do interviews all consist of Q/A pairs?
  496. [22:00:30] <KevinMarks> but that isn't a definition
  497. [22:00:47] <ddfreyne> kingryan: I'd say all of them do
  498. [22:00:56] <KevinMarks> not really
  499. [22:01:16] <ddfreyne> Hm, alright… dl is out
  500. [22:01:23] <kingryan> ddfreyne: I disagree. interviewers can make statements too
  501. [22:01:35] <ddfreyne> kingryan: true.
  502. [22:01:43] <kingryan> if you're interested in an interview microformat, I'd suggest looking at the chat and conversation stuff first.
  503. [22:01:57] <ddfreyne> A question can have multiple answers, and a answer can have multiple question anyway
  504. [22:01:58] <KevinMarks> yes
  505. [22:02:15] <KevinMarks> class="question" and class="answer" would be fine
  506. [22:02:23] <ddfreyne> kingryan: I've been following them, but I don't agree with everything
  507. [22:02:38] <ddfreyne> KevinMarks: agreed… that was what I had initially, in fact
  508. [22:02:39] <KevinMarks> then you can readily style it like common layouts (q's in bold, responses in plain)
  509. [22:02:41] <kingryan> ddfreyne: "not agreeing with everything" is not a good reason to propose a new format
  510. [22:02:59] <ddfreyne> kingryan: of course not… I'm merely building on what exists already
  511. [22:03:07] <KevinMarks> also that isn't a format yet
  512. [22:03:16] <ddfreyne> kingryan: the chat log microformat still is a work in progress anyway
  513. [22:03:23] <KevinMarks> mark yours up and add to http://microformats.org/wiki/chat-examples
  514. [22:03:29] <ddfreyne> will do
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  520. [22:28:21] <kingryan> damn the spammers are moving IP addresses
  521. [22:28:32] <kingryan> they just moved from the carribean to somewhere in asia
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  524. [22:41:45] <ddfreyne> I didn't know spammers had enough money for plane tickets. :)
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  529. [23:14:09] <ianloic> if only they'd attach class="spam" to their posts...
  530. [23:24:38] <ddfreyne> yeah, we so need a microformat for spam indeed
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  535. [23:35:40] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  537. [23:36:20] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  538. [23:36:36] <mkaply> kingryan: ping
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  542. [23:39:17] <kingryan> mkaply: pong
  543. [23:39:35] <mkaply> kingryan: were you around earlier for the hresume discussion? It's all a blur
  544. [23:39:43] <kingryan> don't think so
  545. [23:39:57] <mkaply> kingryan: do you have allsopp's book handy?
  546. [23:40:34] <kingryan> no, it's at home, I'm at the office. I'll see if tantek's is around
  547. [23:41:12] <tantek> same answer
  548. [23:42:17] <mkaply> I wanted people to see the example on page 217
  549. [23:42:25] <mkaply> of how confusing an experience with two vcards in it is
  550. [23:42:43] <mkaply> He doesn't say it is confusing, but when you look at it, it is a problem.
  551. [23:42:59] <mkaply> There's no way to distinguish between the vcard of the individual and the vcard of the organization
  552. [23:43:55] <tantek> mkaply, perhaps you should create a microformats-book-issues page on the wiki
  553. [23:46:01] <pnhChris> hmmm
  554. [23:46:26] <pnhChris> i didn't get to page 217 yet.. looking ahead would be like cheating ;)
  555. [23:46:47] <tantek> and link to it from http://microformats.org/wiki/books entry for the book
  556. [23:47:37] <mkaply> I'm still on my eariler question of how to distinguish different vcards in the experience. Incidentally, I realized why you can't have the experience be a vcard...
  557. [23:47:55] <mkaply> because then if the location for the experience vevent was a vcard, you'd have a vcard nested inside a vcard.
  558. [23:49:47] <KevinMarks> is this the authortative hcard problem again?
  559. [23:50:28] <mkaply> KevinMarks: no, this a little different. Currently in hresume, the vcard of the "experience" is simply the vcard in the experience.
  560. [23:50:36] <mkaply> It doesn't have a unique classname (like contact for instance)
  561. [23:50:57] <mkaply> So there is no way to know which vcard in the experience is the vcard of the experience, vs. vcard of the company. vs vcard of the location of the company in the vevent
  562. [23:51:33] <pnhChris> hmmm the book site doesn't have the downloadable hresume example
  563. [23:54:19] <tantek> mkaply, strictly speaking you could distinguish based on fn==org or not
  564. [23:55:25] <mkaply> unless the person worked for an individual :)
  565. [23:57:01] <mkaply> I'm still going to argue that there should be a classname for the vcard. In the same way we don't say "all vevents in the resume are experience" without labeling them experience
  566. [23:58:24] <mkaply> ah well. not the time for this dicussion. Jericho is on :)
  567. [23:59:34] <pnhChris> quick scan of the page.. for those without the book... http://placenamehere.com/temp/ufbook_experience.pdf

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